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UPDATED: What Punishment Fits the Crime of a 12-Year-Old Pranking 911?

A boy who allegedly made a prank 911 call about a school shooter was arrested Wednesday morning. What punishment should he receive, if any?

 

Updated: Saturday, March 23 at 2:15 p.m. See Editor's Note below.

A 12-year-old Minnesota boy is scheduled to appear at a hearing later this week after he was arrested Wednesday morning for making two prank 911 calls.

According to the Associated Press, a 911 caller said there was a shooter with an AK-47 and a couple of victims at New Prague Middle School. With the Newtown, CT elementary school shooting tragedy still fresh in mind, the call prompted a lockdown of the middle school, high school and Central Education Campus buildings.

New Prague Police Chief Mark Vosejpka said the boy is believed to have made the calls from an emergency cell phone only capable of calling 911, According to the Pioneer Press.

The child's attorney, Marsh Halberg, said the boy could face terroristic threats charges, which is a felony for adults. Halberg went on to say the boy is dealing with "some life issues," according to the Pioneer Press article. The boy's parents reportedly said their son doesn't have access to a gun or intended to harm other students.

The boy is still in juvenile detention until the hearing on either Thursday or Friday this week.

So, for this week's Parents Talk discussion, Patch asks: Do you think the boy should be held in juvenile detention until the hearing? What sort of consequences should he face, if any? Are authorities overreacting?  Tell us in the comments below.

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Coverage of the New Prague incident:

Editor's Note: On Friday, March 22, 2013 (the day after this article was published) the boy was charged with felony terroristic threats and faces a lesser charge for the 911 call, according to a KSTP report. Click here to read the full KSTP story.

Related Topics: Newtown, Parents Talk, Police, Prank 911 calls, School Lockdown, Schools Shootings, hoax, and new prague

Barry L

11:45 am on Thursday, March 21, 2013

Lock him up for a year with a little electric shock therapy...Medicate the kid...and then see what the parents are in need of...the same treatment...

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Karla Bestler Cady

5:27 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

You are kidding aren't you? Are you a parent? If you are...I am sorry for your children. Medication...electronic shock therepy? Where are you employed? The psych ward from the 40s?

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Mike B.

5:34 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Lobotomies are still an accepted method of treatment, according to the American Psychiatric Association, although many recent medical school graduates are not trained in this procedure.

yomammy

12:19 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013

welcome to world of "no punshment".
God knows we cant possibly spank him/her...or raise our voices. Cant have teachers punish them, it would be "abuse" or "racist" or some other lawyer speak they can think of...

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woodtick

8:47 am on Sunday, March 24, 2013

AMEN, Yomammy! You struck gold again with that one brother!

Onlymyopinion

3:20 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013

If he doesn't get some kind of punishment for this, he will figure he got away with it. Then what will he do next time? If they are old enough to pull pranks like this, then they are old enough to accept a fitting punishment. Imagine how the families of the kids felt thinking their child could be killed.

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Liz Larson

3:34 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013

He needs punishment for this serious behaviour--the kind of punishment that he could understand and learn from.

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Clockwatcher

3:54 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013

Maybe probation with some mental health counseling

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Jim Flaherty

4:24 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013

I would think a year in Redwing and some mental health counseling would help this young person.

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Mike B.

9:01 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013

The problem is the universal access to cell phones. Nowadays, every child seems to have a cellphone, and there is really no need for a child to have a cellphone. If the child wants to talk with his friend, just go knock on his door! If you watch any of the 1950s or 1960s TV shows, people and society functioned much better without the so-called advantages of modern technology.

In any case, I would suggest the strongest possible punishment for this 12-year-old: Make him watch five hours straight- with no break, mind you- of Harry Reid's speeches! That kid will never act up again!

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Robert Larsen

9:10 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

In the 50's or 60's, the threat
could have been easily done from a pay phone. They were everywhere.

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Richard Quill

12:22 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

There was a time when I would have agreed that kids don't need cell phones but in light of today's world...the fast-paced lives we all lead, both parents working, child predators abounding, gang activities, drugs and alcohol, demands upon kids for sports and extra-curricular activities as well as other school needs.....I kid really does need a cell phone. There is too much propensity for a kid to find him/herself in a dangerous or compromising position nowadays and they need whatever weapon is legally available to them. In this case, cell phones. And although the idea of a cell phone that is capable of only dialing 911 may sound good, it really isn't a viable option. Is a kid, who stayed late to talk to a teacher about a project and ends up missing the bus expected to call 911 to get a ride home? But we also have to strictly regulate their use especially when it comes to kids who begin to drive. Another problem is ensuring they are not over/misused such as several thousand text messages per week (some kids do text that much) resulting in financial ruin for the parents who have to pay for all those texts messages. Cell phones really have become a necessity for kids these days but extreme diligence and a fine line for responsible use of them also becomes a finely honed balancing act.

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Karla Bestler Cady

9:52 am on Thursday, March 28, 2013

Funny that you reference the TV shows from the 50s and 60s when discouraging modern technology. Tell me if I am wrong, in the 50s and 60s wasn't the TV itself considered modern technology. Get with the times.

This issue has nothing to do with cell phones. You yourself just typed this out on a computer. This isn’t modern technology? According to your way of thinking, you should have just hammered your thoughts out on a rock with a chisel!

yomammy

6:58 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

make him stare at a picture of Pelosi.
no, thats cruel and unusual...

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Mike Marohnic

7:55 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

I think 30 days in a juvenile detention center would do him some good, or a place like Bar None in St Francis, which is a youth treatment facility. If he doesn't get a fairly severe punishment, it'll give other young teenagers and pre-teens the impression that they can do whatever they want without serious consequence. How much did it cost the cities/states in manpower to respond to this prank?

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Joshua

8:49 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

What he did is called "swatting." Unfortunately, it's becoming more and more common and is typically done by computer hackers. This kid just happened to get caught doing it. The more that this kind of crap goes on, the greater the chance someone is going to accidentally get shot or be killed.

Personally, I think juvenile detention is a good idea with community service and counseling if needed.

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kalexander

9:01 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

If the kid is dealing with some life issues at the moment, (which we don't know what those are), I think "throwing the book at him" isn't the appropriate response. Or stick him in a juvenile detention center where God know what would happen to him isn't the response either. Therapy and some community service like having to sit for 40 hours at a 911 call center to hear what actual emergencies are and who those Emergency Responders handle real situations.

That said, listing to Michelle Bachmann or Paul Ryan could also be concerned torture as well.

It's sad that adults in our area immediately jump to "throw the book at him". However, I would bet that you didn't feel that way about the MG Hockey players or kid who brought the fake gun to school a couple years ago.

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Barry L

9:42 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

yomammy
12:19 pm on Thursday, March 21, 2013
welcome to world of "no punshment".
God knows we cant possibly spank him/her...or raise our voices. Cant have teachers punish them, it would be "abuse" or "racist" or some other lawyer speak they can think of...

Jesse Lykken

10:05 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

It all depends on what purpose we want from the "punishment". Retribution? Then cane him. Rehabilitation? A lengthy term of community service with an organization that has the ability to show him the real consequences of his actions. Incapacitation? 30 days in the JDC. Deterrence? Doesn't really work. Restitution? Fine him (his parents) and contribute the money to the 911 program.

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Jim Flaherty

8:42 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Jesse Lykken said It all depends on what purpose we want from the ‘’punishment’’.
I know in today’s society it may be hard to believe but how about something as silly as punishing the person because they committed a crime, this would also set an example to others. This does not mean that we are making an example of him he did this to himself. I read he has some ‘’life issues’’ so it must not his fault in some people’s eyes, but then find any 12-15 year old that doesn’t have ‘’life issues’’. Is this any different than calling in a bomb threat in the 70’s or 80’s? No I don’t think so. What happened to the kids that called them in? Redwing until they were 18 that’s what happened, there were no repeat offenders.

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Caitlin Burgess

11:32 am on Friday, March 22, 2013

Just found this. When I wrote the article, I was unaware that a bill for this sort of thing was being considered by Minnesota lawmakers.

According to a Fox 9 story:

"As attorneys and investigators work through this case, Minnesota lawmakers are considering a bill introduced earlier this month that would make it a misdemeanor to call 911 when there's no real emergency. It would be a gross misdemeanor if the 911 call was intended to lure police somewhere, and the charge could become a felony if the call results in serious injury."

The article doesn't detail, however, if this would be appropriate for a minor.

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Linda Ziniel

10:12 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

I can't even believe there's a question as to if he needs to be punished or not. First, need to punish the young for their crimes/shenanigans. If not they continue and each thing they do will get bigger and bigger. His/her peers will see he/she's getting away with it and could possibly do something of their own and just continue to snowball. I think kids need earlier and better discipline as well as teaching them better respect for the world around them. And to blame a cell phone? That's just stupid. As always people look for something or someone else to blame. How about putting the blame on the individual that messed up? They made a wrong decision, accept it and deal with it and do the punishment.
Community service is a joke for a punishment. That's about as effective as school suspensions which are just mini vacations. Kids like this need to go to a facility of some type with no privileges for at least 6 months to a year to learn what can happen if they continue that lifestyle. No punishment or community service is like pushing it under the rug.
Have them miss a birthday and a couple holidays. I may sound harsh, but this world is getting worse each day and stronger measures need to be taken. I'm a mom of 3 and I'd be devastated if this was one of them...but they need to learn and know this is more than just a prank. (And I know we all have our own opinions, but reading some - not all - of the above kind of explains why so many kids get away with things)

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Mel

10:16 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013

100% agree, Linda. If I pulled a stunt like this as a kid, my parents would've left me in jail! They would've been the first to say I needed a severe consequence. Parents need to step it up...make the hard decisions...it's called accountability.

Willow

10:21 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Community service, a public apology to the students and staff at the school affected, and counseling - individual and family.

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Carol Wiercinski

11:55 pm on Friday, March 22, 2013

Willow has the most logical response...

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Simon D

8:50 am on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Lotsa heavy handed responses about punishment being bandied, no doubt offered by those brought up in military-style families or abusive homes. This is a 12 year old kid, not an adult. Yes, he needs to be taught a lesson, but a year in a juvie facility at this point in his life will do nothing to compensate the "victims" of this prank, nor rehabilitate him, but rather likely turn him into a lifelong criminal. Removing him from school now would forever ruin his developmental path, and rejoining a class of younger kids later will ensure he is an outcast for the remainder of his academic career. All for a stupid prank. This kid needs to make amends, a heavy dose of community service to benefit the school, police department, and city is a great place to start, and probation for a few years is likely to set this kid back on a productive path to lifelong law abiding citizenship. If behavioral problems persist afterwards, then maybe turn to stiffer punishment, taking history of incidents into account.

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woodtick

9:04 am on Sunday, March 24, 2013

" no doubt offered by those brought up in military-style families or abusive homes".

OMG!! Mr. Judgemental!!!! Poor baby, were you brought up in an abusive home?? Get over it. Ruck up and move on with life . Quit blaming and start owning. I don't even know you and you make me sick with your "perfection" you perceive in yourself. " NO DOUBT" ???

Eric Pseudonym

12:03 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Community service would be very beneficial for this CHILD. For those of you that think community service is too light, consider the impact on his life. When his friends are hanging out or playing sports, he would be serving the community. That does serve both as a punishment to him and a deterrent to others. It also rehabilitates a CHILD who used terrible judgment. Community service also impacts the parents in a positive way versus locking him up.

Personally, I prefer our overcrowded jail system be reserved for violent criminals as opposed to pranksters...5% of the world's population with 25% of the prisoners; let's lock up the right people.

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rob_h78

2:26 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

Indeed - it is staggering how much it costs per year to keep people locked up - and the irony is that many of the same people who yell the loudest about "government spending" are the first to say "Lock 'em all up" which equates to "Spend as much of my money as possible punishing someone who could likely be dealt with effectively with a much less costly option".

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Mike B.

1:33 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013

to Rob's point about the costs of incarceration... Prison expenditures would be much less if criminals' families were required to pay for the costs of housing their family member. I like what many states have already done, charging inmates for their prison stays!

Carol Bungert

1:34 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

I concur with Willow--community service, public apology and counseling.

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Caitlin Burgess

2:07 pm on Saturday, March 23, 2013

UPDATE: The boy has been charged with felony terroristic threats and faces a lesser charge for the 911 call, according to a KSTP report. This has also been added to the article body.

Story on KSTP here: http://kstp.com/article/stories/s2969443.shtml

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jane taylor

12:56 pm on Sunday, March 24, 2013

Willow, I think you're right. He needs to do all you said in you're message. Maybe he should have to listen to some of the parents and the students that were all affected by this. Listen to what was going through all their minds when they heard the announcement about what they thought happened. If this child has any compassion, he will take it to heart.

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Sean Gilbertson

8:04 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

I think a punishment that comes from society (aka the court system) is important, since what he did affected society, and he should understand that. I doubt probation would seem like punishment to him; maybe a work house or roadside cleanup for a decent amount of time. I am sure he also needs to be in therapy to figure out why he did this, and should probably see a psychiatrist as well.

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yomammy

9:01 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

Community service...and I mean REAL community service. With both hard work and long hours. Something that shows a finished project. Give him sense of worth. A community apology- in front of entire student body. Dont gather the school for just that though-- add it to another all-school event.
People are all concerend about feelings getting hurt and what not...we need to come back for this BS touchy-feely PC society we live in and grow some backbone. Its how we all were raised, and if you cant see the downfalls of letting everyone do whatever they want, and allowing kids to never lose and never get any real punishment, this is what you get.

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Mike B.

9:09 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

I am not kidding when I say this: Watch "Leave it to Beaver" and see what Ward Cleaver tells Wally or Beaver when they mess up. Or Robert Young in "Father Knows Best." Such TV programs from the 50s and 60s carried a positive message on how young people were supposed to behave. And families were depicted as a family structure should be, a man and wife raising children, with the wife at home properly supervising the children.

Now, TV programs show befuddled parents at the mercy of their children.

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Oscar Falls

9:43 am on Monday, March 25, 2013

Punishment makes us feel better, restitution makes us whole again. We are "punishing" far too many already and this kid is 12 and without a fully developed brain. All the dominatrix' need to chill a bit.

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Terri Rogoski

2:04 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

My granddaughter goes to that school. She was terrified, not to mention the horror that her parents experienced. Her Dad could not get there fast enough. This young man certainly needs to be held accountable and face consequences.

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Mike B.

3:10 pm on Monday, March 25, 2013

It's been reported by the media that Eddie Haskell is the culprit.

woodtick

10:08 am on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Ya know what folks..... Mr. Falls is correct!! With all of you "knowing what to do" & your own personal opinions, unmatched & unfailed discipline methods & management of child behavior, & not to mention that you have been so exemplary & perfect role models, I see that not many of you are looking at how much pain & embarassment this family has gone through already . Enough!!! You all just keep pushing at him & you just may cause him to put a bullet in his own head! Then, you all can be proud of how effective your input has been. Wow! I'd love to read your comments then. I'm done.

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Jim Flaherty

5:46 pm on Tuesday, March 26, 2013

So Oscar and Woodtick what do you think should be done? It seen obvious you don’t think he should be punished. Do you think that he should be returned to school and told not to do anything wrong, and if he does something wrong what then? Another Steve Howe last chance? Tell us what you think needs to be done.

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