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Should Bonfires Be Banned Over Health Concerns?

A group known as Take Back the Air has hired an attorney to try to ban outdoor wood burning in Edina.

 

A local group is fighting to ban outdoor recreational wood fires over what they claim is a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

Take Back the Air has hired attorney Gale Mellum to petition the City of Edina to ban bonfires. In a letter addressed to the City Council and other Edina officials, Mellum argued wood burning at public events "presents an accessibility issue for children and anyone with breathing issues and other disabilities."

"Just as tobacco smoke is regulated in parks and in public establishments, my clients urge you to enact and enforce a ban against all outdoor recreational burning so that citizens can use their properties and public spaces without the toxic effects of wood smoke," Mellum wrote. "If Edina does not address outdoor wood burning regulation in the near future, individual or collective lawsuits could be brought against the city for not protecting public health, citizens' property rights, and everyone's right to access public spaces."

In addition to alleged violations of the Americans with Disabilities Act, the letter claims the Minnesota Environmental Rights Act could also be "used to require Edina to improve the air quality within the city."

Organizer Julie Mellum, who suffers from severe asthma, claims she became sick from wood smoke and was forced to stop walking around Edinborough Park due to smoke from wood fires at nearby restaurants.

Mellum told local TV news outlet KSTP residents have "a guaranteed basic civil right to breath clean air on our own properties, but also at public spaces."

"Wood smokes does prevent an actual physical barrier," she said. "Cities are supposed to remove barriers so that people can enjoy the parks and public spaces like streets and sidewalks."

Take Back the Air wants the city to not only ban outdoor bonfires, but also to change the wood-burning fireplace at Centennial Lakes Park's Centrum Building over to gas-burning.

City Manager Scott Neal said no plans are in place to switch that fireplace over or to existing city ordinances regarding outdoor bonfires.

"Human beings gathering around a campfire is a long tradition in this state and in the country," Neal told KSTP.

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Related Topics: Americans With Disabilities Act, City Council, City of Edina, Health Concerns, Minnesota Environmental Rights Act, Scott Neal, Take Back the Air, Wood-Burning, outdoor fires, and wood smoke

Parent

8:23 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I actually cannot believe i am commenting on this.. It reminds me a little bit of the Hornettes name change contreversy, a non-issue. This is another example of the inconvenience of a few affecting the many. On a nice fall night (on a side note, how many nights are we really talking about) I would bet that 100's of Edina residents are having backyard fires. How many people like Ms. Mellum are there that can't or don't walk in certain areas because of this problem. This is not like an accessibility issue to a building or rest room, because those improvements do not affect the many. To save ink on someones reply, I do agree with the Americans with Disabilities Act. I think Ms. Mellum needs to look beyond her wants and think about the good of the many and make changes to her walking paths and let the many have their bonfires with family and friends.

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Tom

8:08 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I HAVE A RIGHT to breathe reasonably clean air. It's about PUBLIC ACCESS. I should not have to wear a military-grade gas mask outdoors just to walk around the block. Nor to rake my leaves ON MY OWN PROPERTY!

Get out and GO CAMPING if you want to burn wood

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Katherine Troidl

11:47 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

No, it's actually not an example of the inconvenience of a few affecting the many. It's a health issue. Read what you wrote: you'd bet that 100's of Edina residents are having backyard fires. You just unwittingly defined the problem. Can you not see that? Please educate yourself about the health effects of wood smoke. Chronic exposure to it has a way of creeping up on you.
As far as Ms. Mellum looking beyond her "wants", you have it backwards. Breathing is a need. Humans are obligate aerobes. Burning a backyard fire in this day and age is a "want." That may change some day, but for right now, it's not a need, it's a "want." Breathing is a need.

Eyesopen

8:56 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Ridiculous that is what i have to say....
Reminds me of the no more birthday treats in our elementary schools. All of us that are grown brought birthday treats, .... and we turned out not to bad.
Instead of working on a such a crazy issue ... use your time Julie, for the good... like world hunger or troubled areas right here in MN. PAY IT FORWARD!!!
Stop wasting the time and money of people over issues that are frivolous. There is nothing better than sitting around a bonfire with friends and family under the nite sky.

MOVE ON GIRL!

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Katherine Troidl

11:51 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Smoke inhalation reminds you of no more birthday treats? Seriously?
Breathing is frivolous?
There's nothing better than sitting around a bonfire with friends? Whatever floats your boat, but go camping and have your bonfire there, and stop wasting peoples' time who value their lungs. And by the way, God gave you your lungs, you can't go buy new ones, so you might want to rethink that sitting around the fire if it's something you do a lot.

Edina Resident

9:58 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

What's next, BBQ's?! Are they going to PAY for the gas firepits and monthly gas bills?

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Judy Sappington

10:27 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

What is wrong with this world when a friendly, nurturing, inviting bonfire has to be banned? Would like to have statistics on how many new friends have been made; difficulties solved; personal problems shared; future plans made; loved ones sharing memories; children sharing a wonderful family tradition; songs learned and sung; fragrance of burning leaves and wood shared by others in the area; inventions which have resulted by friendly bonfire discussions; prayers which can be so meaningful in this atmosphere of the dark skies lit only by the bright and warm fire. SAVE THE BONFIRES!

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Tom

8:09 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Are YOU going to pay for my military-grade gas mask?

susan goldsborough

10:23 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Wow! I had no idea that residents of Minnesota don't care about public health or climate change. I thought of Minnesota as a state of pragmatic, highly educated people.

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Eyesopen

10:42 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

WOW back at you, Susan!!!

We are UNDEREDUCATED now ... because we want to keep bonfires from being banned.

Sad....

What a bonfire really is.... Thank you Judy for pointing out some of the wonderful things a bonfire can create.

SAVE THE BONFIRES!!! SAVE THE BONFIRES!!!!

Why is it only the trivial things that really get things sparking ...
PUN IN TENDED

susan goldsborough

10:24 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Wow! I had no idea that residents of Minnesota don't care about public health or climate change. I thought of Minnesota as a state of pragmatic, highly educated people.

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Steve Melin

11:38 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I suffered from asthma as a child and did not fair well around smoke. I learned to go to the places where I would not encounter things that I reacted poorly to. Many people are allergic to grass. should we stop having and mowing lawns to make them more comfortable or do they, as a very small minority, adapt their lifestyle to avoid reactions. The vast majority of residents receive great pleasure from a barbecue or fire. In a city with many options for parks and walking trails, Ms. Mellum needs to find the ones best suited to her needs as opposed to bullying the rest of us to eliminate something that we enjoy. It is too bad that legal funds need to be spent on frivality like this.

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Katherine Troidl

11:32 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Steve,
I doubt that the vast majority of residents receive great pleasure from a fire. BBQ's are great, just don't use wood when you're in residential quarters. use a gas grill or charcoal. Maybe you'll actually taste the food instead of just the wood.

You make a good point about going the places where you would not encounter the things that you reacted poorly too. But if what you say is true, that the vast majority of people enjoy woodsmoke bbq and firepits, where do you suggest the person affected by it go to get away from it? I got news for you, buddy, that stuff does seep indoors.

matt tourangeau

2:04 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

If you go to Julie’s site, she is actually looking to ban fragrances and restaurant wood burning ovens as well.
My wife also has asthma, I can relate to Julie when she feels restricted from using or going somewhere. We have had to leave restaurants in the middle of a number of meals because some blue haired lady or old fart had no sense of how much perfume or cologne they had on. (If the management asked the blue haired lady or old fart to leave, whose rights would have been violated, my wife’s or theirs?) - (my apologies to old farts and blue haired ladies – send your hate mail to the Edina Patch).
We all have to live with one another, why is it that a small group or individual always wants to dictate how others live.
I’m starting a group banning the misuse of oxygen; it will also include misuse of airtime (TV and Radio), print ads and articles in all print formats and dissemination on the internet, would anyone like to join? But I suppose someone will bring up the Constitution and put a kibosh to that.

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Bob

7:53 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

What is next? diesel engines, gravel roads? I'm sorry for her asthma problems but where do your rights end and mine begin?

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Katherine Troidl

11:59 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012

Bob, if you idled a diesel engine in your backyard for hours on end, it would be a good comparison.
I think your rights end where her lungs begin, if your smoke is getting on her property and in her house, or if it's permeating a public sidewalk, etc. This is why people used to go on camping trips.
You have the right to walk down the street flailing your arms however you choose, but that right stops when it hits my nose. Same idea.

schedvi

2:13 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

My wife and I were elated when the house we bought came with a fireplace. After moving in we enjoyed quite a few indoor fires. That all changed when we were blessed with a baby boy who ended up developing asthma and severe allergies to wood smoke. As parents, we had only one clear choice: no more fires. It was a real bummer, but necessary for the health of our child. About that time, our neighbors bought a portable outdoor fire pit and have been using it religiously 4-5 nights per week. On crisp clear nights we are forced to close our windows. And enjoying an evening outside in our back yard? Forget it - we can't. Put yourself in our position - just what the heck are we suppossed to do? My guess is that the majority of Edina citizens don't have outdoor recreational fires (think about it - if they did, the city would be nothing but smoke). I believe that it is the very vocal minority of fire lovers that are complaining. Fires used to be for warmth, safety, cooking and comaradarie - all things that we can now do in the safety and security of our hown homes without disturbing others. Check out city code 1035-02, subd 3 and tell me why rec fires are even allowed.

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Parent

10:17 am on Saturday, October 6, 2012

Have you tried asking your neighbors to do something different or maybe limiting the number of times they have fires. This is one of the problems with this issue for me, is the fact that we have lost all personal contact with our neighbors and have become a very litigious society. You ask them to limit their fires or change the way burn and then you get more days outside with your baby. Everyone wins!! Keep the fires and improve our relationships with our neighbors, makes sense to me.

Shirley Brandie

10:08 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

I have never heard so many ridiculous statements in support of burning come out of one mouth, Kent. I actually started laughing reading them.
The proper way to discuss the issue of wood smoke and its health hazards would be to come in armed with scientific information as CaresAboutHealth has done.
You have come in blazing with no ammo!

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schedvi

6:51 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012

Parent: unfortunately, the household consists of overzealous teenagers who light bonfires and shoot off fireworks nearly every night (their parents could care less - so it could be a parenting issue, or lack thereof). Police/Fire have had to tell them to knock it off due to the extraordinary levels of smoke they are pumping into the neighborhood, but it hasn't changed their behavior one bit. It's just a real bummer. I don't want to force my views on anyone, or have them force theirs on me, but there has to be a solution somewhere....

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Citizen

12:45 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012

Although many have fond memories of times spent around wood fires, the truth is that wood smoke is full of harmful toxins (similar to diesel exhaust and tobacco smoke: http://www.familiesforcleanair.org/comparing-wood-smoke-pollution-to-diesel-exhaust-and-tobacco-smoke/ (...and seriously, if you have ever sat downwind of a bonfire, you *know* that breathing that air is uncomfortable!)

Traditions of gathering with family and friends are wonderful--you don't need a fire! The essence of these get togethers is the people, not the smoke. The more I learn about wood smoke, the more I want to avoid it. Unfortunately, if your neighbor burns, you can't choose not to breathe.

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matt tourangeau

5:03 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

To the Edina Patch: I truly appreciate the opportunity to voice my opinion, but I believe if you're going to allow public comments, you should only allow them if people sign their real names to them. I get that this thread would be a failure if you did that, but then we would have people’s true opinions on whether or not THEY CARE!

For those of you, who have a hard time with smoke, perfumes, etc., sign your names to your comments; maybe your neighbors will see them and they just may be more considerate when burning or coming over to your house.

It’s also a lot easier to attack someone or an issue anonymously. Free speech is one of our rights…others have and are dying to protect your right to free speech, have the nuts to use it.

At least Julie is making her voice heard and putting her face on it. I don't agree with it, but if you disagree and want to stop her actions, it’s usually easier when real people stand up.

To Julie: asthma is a chronic illness; it IS NOT a disability. If it were, then diabetes, COPD, arthritis, alcoholism, addictions, and a number of other diseases would have to be labeled “disabilities”. Could you only imagine the resolve for all of this in the event they were considered disabilities?

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mary jo kingston

5:41 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012

I agree, Matt, responders should be willing to sign their names.
I am an Edina resident living with a 42 year old son with cerebral palsy. He cannot stand or bear weight and is totally wheelchair bound. Edinborough Park around Centennial Lakes is perfect for walking for us as it is relatively flat and accessible.

Braemar, on the other hand, would absolutely not work for this old woman pushing an adult son in a wheelchair up and down the hills. Yet I understand that Braemar is accessible and wonderful for those more able than we are and is very popular.

That is what I understand the definition of "reasonable access" to be. We have "reasonable access" to many of Edina's parks and walking paths, altho not every one of them. Other residents have needs that require more challenge than we do, such as long hills and steep slopes. They have them in the array of Edina's parks. I am a retired senior but wouldn't dream of demanding that every recreational facility in Edina be accessible to me - how about the outdoor ice or indoor hockey rinks? - but I have access to all I need to make my life and that of my son full and rich with many choices.

With all the parks in Edina, the only one unavailable to those allergic to wood smoke would be Centennial. And that only in the winter months. Which of the myriad other parks would you not be able to use and when? Living in a community means give and take among ALL Edina residents - those with diabilities and those without.

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